Your point is still moot though cake, as your topic against one religion was using another 😛

Hi trigger. I was using christianity as an example because its popular where we live. Insert religion here.
My point is that it drastically changes over time. What we do now wasnt what we did earlier on. The beliefs are way way different. Early christians didn’t even celebrate christmas. It was heresy to do so.

There are similarities in your story with Christianity and the sun god thing, but that doesn’t prove Christianity doesn’t exist because there are similar symbols.

Silly triggy – youre missing the point entirely. The point is that this jesus story is just as flakey & fictitious as the pagan stories – because they are both alterations the same root cause.

THEY ARE STORIES BASED ON THE SKY, because the sky is a calendar and clock for early humans.

My point here guys is that we know the root cause. Its illogical to debate the specifics of whether these spectacular entities could exist, when you already know where the idea to invent them came from.[/center:2hlqxlii]

So please…. quit the crap. Please quit pretending its all real. Flekzor is just going to own you every time. And I’ll be right there too. Mmhmm flekzor make love to me baby.

Although I am Catholic, one thing I don’t agree in on nor understand is why the catholic priests cannot marry? I looked into it a while back and found it wasn’t anything to do with god’s way or anything but in fact the rules of the kings in the 15th century/16th? (not too sure of the time). It got altered so many times with many different royalty, so why does it still stand with the church today.. Not all christian priests DO NOT marry, and although it may be some what balsphemist on my part, the priests who do marry.. seem a little more… down to earth (no pun intended).

Cheers, BR

lol cake, that is hardly a fact. You cannot prove that there is no “higher entity” out there nor that I can prove definitively to you that there is one.
The idea came from the sky? Well in some religions sure, why not. In Christianity that is not so. Believe what you will, it is your choice 🙂 But I think it is childish to try and put down anothers beliefs because you simply find them not to your tastes.

Cheers

lol cake, that is hardly a fact. You cannot prove that there is no “higher entity” out there nor that I can prove definitively to you that there is one.
The idea came from the sky? Well in some religions sure, why not. In Christianity that is not so. Believe what you will, it is your choice 🙂 But I think it is childish to try and put down anothers beliefs because you simply find them not to your tastes.

Cheers

I’m not attempting to prove a negative. I quote myself:

Its illogical to debate the specifics of whether these spectacular entities could exist, when you already know where the idea to invent them came from.

I agree with you that its pointless attempting to shoot down other peoples belief systems, and arguing with the same terms when we all have the right to believe what we like.

My argument is that the root cause for these stories is already known, and is not up for debate. You can’t just deny the existence of the zodiac and the age of these religions/stories any more than you can deny the holocaust.

We all have the choice in our society to choose our own path. We have the right to choose what stories we think should influence our morale and ethos. We all have the choice to decide for ourselves. We have the choice to make dumb decisions, even if others insist otherwise. I am in no way attempting to force any kind of belief structure on you any more than I am able/authorized to do so in our society (NZ/AUS/Commonwealth/Crown).

I wholeheartedly support your decisions to believe in what you choose to, because you are able to in our society. However what I do object to is the notion that I am oppressing you in some way by raising awareness of history, and root-cause analysis of cultural traits. We are all our own individuals, but we do share the same environment. We obey the laws put on us, however our privileges include the right to speech. And I say – religion bollocks and its time to learn from history and move on to better & brighter things.

I didn’t say that you are oppressing me in any way, those events occurred as did those in the Bible. How does the literature that you gain this information from become more truthful/factual than what is in the bible? What is funny is that the Saturnalia gods are based from the bible. What I was saying however, was that for those who say something like, “Islam/Hindu/Christianity is just a bunch of fairy stories” are rather ignorant. That was just my opinion as was yours to saying that religion is bollocks. We are all entitled to our opinions 🙂

Cheers

so in summing up triggerhawk is ned flanders?
would explain alot….

i actually admire a person who can see religion through in todays world, your father a minister or something?

You all should read some Graham Hancock books(Fingerprints of the gods, Underworld, Keeper of Genesis etc).

Cake is onto something……

Cake is onto something…

Cake is a God amongst men.

Also, I shortened the amount of dots needed for an ellipsis. 😀

I didn’t say that you are oppressing me in any way, those events occurred as did those in the Bible. How does the literature that you gain this information from become more truthful/factual than what is in the bible? What is funny is that the Saturnalia gods are based from the bible. What I was saying however, was that for those who say something like, “Islam/Hindu/Christianity is just a bunch of fairy stories” are rather ignorant. That was just my opinion as was yours to saying that religion is bollocks. We are all entitled to our opinions 🙂

Cheers

The zodiac predates the bible. Christianity is a very new religion, dude. Satanism even younger. Wiccan younger still. If you deny this then you’re leaning very close to the holocaust denier zone.

Its what I mean about the root causes already being known. There’s nothing to actually debate. The zodiac is old as my granddads socks. We don’t literally believe the stories of the zodiac, because we know that theyre based on stars in the sky. The stories, characters and themes in the bible are largely blurred versions of the zodiac stories.

You wont last long if you hint in any way that the bible predates the zodiac.

*sits back and waits to embrace some frogma wisdom*

Eh all I was saying that in your Saturnalia argument, which is a fairly new “tradition”, that festivals deities were based from the bible or if you’d like a better way of saying it, are found within the bible. I wouldn’t be stupid to say that Christianity is the oldest religion, we know that isn’t true. Egyptian religion is one of the oldest I think from memory, or Hinduism. Just because a religion is similar hardly makes it a copy of others 😛 Cmon now cake, think of the Egyptian religion for a start. Now do you think that the Aboriginal religion stole it’s stories from it? They are both based on the stars and what not, so clearly they must be a copy. So again, believe what you like and the Zodiac being the basis for all religions, but I will choose to believe in a God that created the Zodiac constellation in the first place 🙂

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A God that created the Zodiac which was formed before that God who created it had been created?

Makes perfect sense.

Eh all I was saying that in your Saturnalia argument, which is a fairly new “tradition”, that festivals deities were based from the bible or if you’d like a better way of saying it, are found within the bible. I wouldn’t be stupid to say that Christianity is the oldest religion, we know that isn’t true. Egyptian religion is one of the oldest I think from memory, or Hinduism. Just because a religion is similar hardly makes it a copy of others 😛 Cmon now cake, think of the Egyptian religion for a start. Now do you think that the Aboriginal religion stole it’s stories from it? They are both based on the stars and what not, so clearly they must be a copy. So again, believe what you like and the Zodiac being the basis for all religions, but I will choose to believe in a God that created the Zodiac constellation in the first place 🙂

Cheers

Im getting sick of re-explaining the same point here. I never said the zodiac was the basis for all religions. You arent reading my posts are you? Other religions exist without influence of the zodiac. So what? How does their existence negate or enhance the authenticity of any religion at all?

If your religion isnt the oldest, then wtf are you bringing to the table in this discussion? My point of major religions being similar due to having the same root cause was just an example proving that they are fictitious. The bible has gone through a zillion revisions since you laid eyes on it in 2009. You can’t just alter history when you change the stories in books. So you must go back in time to earliest revisions.

I brought up the zodiac because its the earliest I am aware of personally. I just dont think youre reading my posts. I already mentioned Ra and Horus. I think this thread should be locked because its getting repetitive. Unless someone adds something new the cake will call the mighty thread locking gods.

I have summarized this discussion and provided Trigger with a comprehensive counter argument, with the same amount of effort and intelligence that he has provided to me.

My point of major religions being similar due to having the same root cause was just an example proving that they are fictitious.

Doesn’t really prove squat one way or another in any sort of factual manner 😛 But I agree, this thread is really going nowhere. I think we just have to agree to disagree 🙂

Cheers