@triggs lol that medpack thing with panzer would solve all the problems…for starters id be the only one using panzer 😀

/kill should count as a suicide death but honestly people should not be allowed to use it at all. If it were never implemented in the game then people would be more careful but because the game is not realistic, this means that people will use any tactic/method/way of getting gameplay advantage; this means using /kill.

But where does /kill on enemy panzer come into this interms of gamer etiquette? I say its just plain arrogance. You get killed in the game then take it like a man and accept it in any way or method…people say ‘oh its cheap’…I say stop conforming to one particular, and suitable for you, method of fragging and accept that FPS games offer varieties of weapons and fragging techniques.

I actually love running directly into the faces of those panzer-noobies and seeing themseslf vapourise. I have saved my team-mates on many occasions by doing such valorous/valiant acts. I bet no-one actually thought of making such decisions in the heat of the moment/battle huuuh…why /kill when you can kamikaze with their own weapon 😀

Modeled on the real world, seriously?
Do you see WWII soldiers shooting people with antitank guns?
The only people that want a /kill to count as a death are panzer users. Anyone else couldn’t give a hoot since the scared thing takes care of the suicide problem and if you let them get away so they can /kill then you simply weren’t good enough to kill their chicken butt.
Bring in the medpack script and I guarantee panzer players will be begging for the limit to come back, they are better off having a handful of people /kill than getting their first 5 suicide kills and then shooting packs for the rest of the map.

Cheers

Ya ya right lol… and the medpack thing is a cvar:

g_maxPanzerSuicides [integer]

When set, a player can kill himself g_maxPanzerSuicides times with a panzerfaust. The next panzerselfkill will result in a panzer shooting medpacks.

The amount of suicides is reset every map.

Set to -1 to disable, -2 to always enable (no normal panzers anymore)

Default is -1

g_panzerPackDistance [integer]

Set the g_packDistance for the medpacks fired by the panzerfaust when g_maxPanzerSuicides is enabled

Set to 0 to use default (etmain)

Default is 0

also if it isnt enabled how bout g_panzersVulnerable 1 so u can if ya a good shot can shoot and blow up a panza.

I would prolly be a Soldier/Soldat medic lol …

Also i have gotten scared to death by a panza shot b4 (splash dmg?)

Modeled on the real world, seriously?
Do you see WWII soldiers shooting people with antitank guns?
The only people that want a /kill to count as a death are panzer users. Anyone else couldn’t give a hoot since the scared thing takes care of the suicide problem and if you let them get away so they can /kill then you simply weren’t good enough to kill their chicken butt.
Bring in the medpack script and I guarantee panzer players will be begging for the limit to come back, they are better off having a handful of people /kill than getting their first 5 suicide kills and then shooting packs for the rest of the map.

Cheers

YES! TRIGZ WINS

Imo don’t worry about the med pack panzer shots…Sounds too confusing. Make /kill not count as a death and don’t limit it. If panzer noobs feel they are being cheated, they can munch down and go an SMG class, the hard way to get kills!

@triggs lol that medpack thing with panzer would solve all the problems…for starters id be the only one using panzer 😀

/kill should count as a suicide death but honestly people should not be allowed to use it at all. If it were never implemented in the game then people would be more careful but because the game is not realistic, this means that people will use any tactic/method/way of getting gameplay advantage; this means using /kill.

But where does /kill on enemy panzer come into this interms of gamer etiquette? I say its just plain arrogance. You get killed in the game then take it like a man and accept it in any way or method…people say ‘oh its cheap’…I say stop conforming to one particular, and suitable for you, method of fragging and accept that FPS games offer varieties of weapons and fragging techniques.

I actually love running directly into the faces of those panzer-noobies and seeing themseslf vapourise. I have saved my team-mates on many occasions by doing such valorous/valiant acts. I bet no-one actually thought of making such decisions in the heat of the moment/battle huuuh…why /kill when you can kamikaze with their own weapon 😀

The whole “if it weren’t implemented” argument is bogus for the sheer fact that it actually was implemented. Please understand the game is not realistic in many respects and if it were modeled that way then you should have one life per et key. So ok let’s even make it one life per map. So again, modeled on real life = fail.

Etiquette doesn’t really come into it since shooting at your feet to kill an enemy is a “dishonourable” way to kill someone if you are judging things in terms of etiquette and honour. Take it like a man when we /kill that we heard the charge when someone comes barreling down to shoot their feet. I say, stop conforming to the idea that shooting at your feet is a suitable way of fragging. No one has a problem dying by a panzer that actually did a good shot, say a sniper type shot or even if they charge whilst jumping down from a ledge giving the opposition no idea of what is happening. That is fine. I don’t care how I die as long as it took more than one button click at your own feet to do so. Jumping in front of a panzer is debatable, sure if he is aimed at engys or whatever, then you could kind of construe it to being honourable, otherwise it is plain stupid. Half the time they would miss and instead you are better off taking their attention, getting close and then /killing as they aim at their feet to kill you and end up killing themselves.

This debate has been had many times before and it is really beating a dead horse time and time again. We won this debate last time and therefore should still stand that /kill should be limitless and not count as a death so long as the scared thing is implemented. As far as I can see, BR would do all this but the nightly build doesn’t have it so we need to find out how to change it (unless it has already been).

Cheers

death still posts essays.

The biggest issue that needs fixing on oz is medics with 60000000000000000000 health

I think /kill counting as a death is fair. Because you are dying afterall. A suicide no less, which has no honour.

^Talk to a samurai warrior about suicide.

The Samurai’s were severely misguided then.

I’d much rather die at the blade of my foe than of my own.

@triggs /kill was not implemented in FPS games to my knowledge. It was actually the players which found it to be a feasible method and tactic; same goes for binding it to a key for quicker action.

But where does /kill on enemy panzer come into this interms of gamer etiquette? —> in terms of the bolded statement is where my reasoning comes from…if it were in terms of something else than my statement would be different. Obviously the purpose of FPS games is to win objective and main way to do this is to kill the enemy…regardless of how you do it, but people conform to the idea that certain methods are appropriate and thus use /kill to disallow the kill by panzer to the enemy.

One thing that people should be aware of is who the participants are…this isnt a profesional match but merely general community gathering together…thus player etiquette and honour should not be disregarded…but this is my opinion.

Ive used /kill before as a tactic but never to disallow the frag to the oposition…if they kill me before i kill them then its my bad luck.

/kill started in RTCW.

Cyanide pills in case you get caught.

ITS LEGIT!

@triggs /kill was not implemented in FPS games to my knowledge. It was actually the players which found it to be a feasible method and tactic; same goes for binding it to a key for quicker action.

But where does /kill on enemy panzer come into this interms of gamer etiquette? —> in terms of the bolded statement is where my reasoning comes from…if it were in terms of something else than my statement would be different. Obviously the purpose of FPS games is to win objective and main way to do this is to kill the enemy…regardless of how you do it, but people conform to the idea that certain methods are appropriate and thus use /kill to disallow the kill by panzer to the enemy.

One thing that people should be aware of is who the participants are…this isnt a profesional match but merely general community gathering together…thus player etiquette and honour should not be disregarded…but this is my opinion.

Ive used /kill before as a tactic but never to disallow the frag to the oposition…if they kill me before i kill them then its my bad luck.

Did you even read my post?
Until you do, I guess this will just be a “talking to a wall” situation.
PEOPLE WHO PANZER THEIR FEET AND GET THE ONE CLICK KILL BY KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL YOU DESERVE TO BE /KILLED ON
If you think that panzering your feet is a honourable way to kill someone then that is YOUR view, not everyone elses. I don’t care if they are noobs or pros, if you panzer your feet to kill I will /kill on you and hopefully it sparks you to learn to panzer better.

Cheers

PEOPLE WHO PANZER THEIR FEET AND GET THE ONE CLICK KILL BY KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL YOU DESERVE TO BE /KILLED ON
If you think that panzering your feet is a honourable way to kill someone then that is YOUR view, not everyone elses. I don’t care if they are noobs or pros, if you panzer your feet to kill I will /kill on you and hopefully it sparks you to learn to panzer better.
Cheers

LIES, I remember when you, phat and other randoms kept on /killing on every panzer shot i made regardless of how awesome of a shot it was from across the map! then I would just aim for horus for the rest of the time because he was the only one taking the hits 🙁
I missed out on so many double kills when para and phat use to /kill together!!! BASTARDS!

ur my boy trigz

@triggs Oh ive read your post mate but considering that the objective is to stop the enemy winning by killing them, regardless of how you do it, and ive posted that before your comment so i can say that you didnt read my post. Honour and etiquette comes into any multiplayer game but it does depend upon the community and what kind of level of gameplay…but even at high level of gameplay honour should still be applied…what honour is there to disallow the opposition the frag by /kill? Just plain selfishness and disregard to what FPS games are about IMO…Simply put…kill the enemy before he/she kills you.

@nelots Yes ive seen that happen before. Honestly anyone /killing to disallow the frag just disregards what FPS games and objectives are and they have conformed to their own “version” and belief of how to play these games. People always complain about panzers and they /kill on them because they believe that they have no chance to kill them…well thats just your bad luck IMO…FPS games are unpredictable and if you want to excel you need to think more rather than /kill on any occasion you feel that the opposition does not deserver the frag.

anyways just anotehr 2c from me lol.

@triggs Oh ive read your post mate but considering that the objective is to stop the enemy winning by killing them, regardless of how you do it, and ive posted that before your comment so i can say that you didnt read my post. Honour and etiquette comes into any multiplayer game but it does depend upon the community and what kind of level of gameplay...but even at high level of gameplay honour should still be applied…what honour is there to disallow the opposition the frag by /kill? Just plain selfishness and disregard to what FPS games are about IMO…Simply put…kill the enemy before he/she kills you.

I’ve played against top teams and they /kill ALL THE TIME. Such honor that you mention has no place in ET. It’s like saying I CANNOT back rage the opposition because it would be considered dishonorable.

@nelots Yes ive seen that happen before. Honestly anyone /killing to disallow the frag just disregards what FPS games and objectives are and they have conformed to their own “version” and belief of how to play these games. People always complain about panzers and they /kill on them because they believe that they have no chance to kill them…well thats just your bad luck IMO…FPS games are unpredictable and if you want to excel you need to think more rather than /kill on any occasion you feel that the opposition does not deserver the frag.

It’s their bad luck for being a silly panzer newb, they could easily go SMG and take a shot at killing the people that /kill. Oh wait, the majority of people that play panzer are typically crap. Any decent SMGer will NOT complain when they go panzer and people /kill on them because they can simply change class and kill them a different way.

The only people that want a /kill to count as a death are panzer users.