Hey I agree with what you are saying here:Antagonist said:WOW interesting read, id like to add my 2 cents
1st of all, static back when he was playing for Y*Y was an absolute nightmare with the panzer and imo the best panzer ive seen on Australian et throughout my years.
2nd. death i feel for you, you a trying your hardest to justify the panzer as being good and in pubs with lvl 4 HW its quite useful, but matches against a good clan is a whole new story and PLZ trust me on this!
good clans do not run in singles (and if they do hes usually a backrager to detere the advance)
having played against you on quite a few occasions and knowing your capabilities im sorry to say its funny you think your in the same league as those guys, i had a good chuckle, you say u can panzer frag the same as them, wat makes them special is they have the ability to sneak through and set up the ambush and the random 5 man panzer costing 30 seconds of good attacking or defence and no offense but on the competitive level you dont have the tactical ability to be able to pull it off, which is only due to match inexperience. as blusky or G said (cbf looking for it) a good panzer are the versatile ones SO TRUE, a panzer is usually called in for 1 event in an attack or defense usually a room or corridor clearance or to compliment a perfect spawn camp. take goldrush for example double airstrikes on both entrances and a floating panzer on the bridge waiting for the stragglers, thats effective use of a panzer.
facts are SMG no matter how much u hate it is the dominant force in this game, its fast, accurate and the only down time u have is when your reloading, if you fire that panzer and miss, then its all over for you.
alot of teams like to run a panzer to compliment there defense, but against 6 high quality smgrs you will quickly and unexpectedly be blitzed and hard :S
and besides the same effect can be done with a good rifle nader + he can diffuse,plant etc and becomes useful for the team.
oo one last thing.. good teams have every angle covered in there crossfire, so more or less you can be the 1st in, get mowed the fluck down and maybe get 1 or 2 ppl if your lucky, or sit at the back trying to create an opportunity for your team while the rest of em get smashed because there doing it 5 v 6 :S
Death_Reincarnated said:which is what blusky and co were saying (i.e. panzer is useless).
I never said panzer was useless, what are you talking about...? Are you saying your whole argument was based on something that was never said?Death_Reincarnated said:The entire debate was based on that blusky and co refer to panzer as being useless...this is what i was debating the whole time.
You have a very boxed in view - playing panzer on OZ doesn't give you a massive insight to how ET and the dynamics of the game work. Throughout the debate/thread I have been analyzing your posts paragraph by paragraph with simple 1-2 line logical rebuttals.Death_Reincarnated said:@blusky Ohh i do have a good idea of what i'm saying and if i didnt I wouldnt bother continuing this conversation for sooooo bloody long. At least I made the time to agree/disagree with things you said where as you, you just dismissed anything i said and even called me dumb/stupid/imbicile...where is the debate in such instance???
I look forward to owning you :).Hopefully when I get good internet i'll come on and frag some of yous with my noobtube (aka B2B ---> M@ilda knows what this means) Hopefully I havent lost my touch hehehe. :)
VVV Quote from OP VVVblusky said:I never said panzer was useless, what are you talking about...? Are you saying your whole argument was based on something that was never said?
Do I need to say more??? Yes its mess's quote but considering were debating this and you, mess, para, and even others seem to agree that I'm wrong regarding the same thing ive been trying to say throughout (panzer requires skill to be effective and it takes practise to achieve that), then tell me what are we debating???Messenjah said:Continue it here..
And you're always trying to talk up the skill it takes to panzar.. why do you? We all know it takes nothing.
Hey its only a debate :) and honetsly i dont take debates to heart because in the end its just personal opinion vs personal opinion...sure emotiuons may flow and come out but if I would have taken this seriously then I would prolly write 'STFU u noobcake, you know bobbla-squat all' but what would be the point.Messenjah said:Haha death you caught on!
Just wanted a rise out of you, didnt really think it'd last this long =\
I'm a dirty dirty thread starter.
But you vs blusky quote wars was quiet a fun read
Spoken like a true e-professional.Antagonist said:TBH, i started the game being the bum chum medic of my mate ( who was stupidly good ) id just follow him around to learn the ropes, he was always medic smg so thats wat i leaned to get good at.
its all about practice and after you get rolled thinking to yourself, what went wrong there?, how did i die? and work on improving it :>
Yep, exacly the same with me, i was flattin with DFENZ who was founder of AoS in S2-3, he got me into it and i just followed him around bein his bish. I got in the way a fair bit to start with, but quickly learned the ropes.TBH, i started the game being the bum chum medic of my mate ( who was stupidly good ) id just follow him around to learn the ropes, he was always medic smg so thats wat i leaned to get good at.