Death_Reincarnated said:
DUDE...Just listen to yourself...look at the bolded text in your quote. There is so much fail in there its not even worth saying anything else besides /FFF. But just to make sure that you dont confuse reality with dreams. A perfect condition in such a case would suggest that PC parts be at constant and seriously low temperature (including the PSU) while operating at prolonged time. You seriously going to argue that in a real case scenario that PSU can generate 1440W?! Plus they say 'max power output' without definitively quaoting it to be either RMS or PMPO with(out) efficiencies taken into account. This is why I said it a money grabbing value put out so the consumer thinks OMG I HAZ MORE POWER...I WILL OWNZ YOU NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!
Am I typing it wrong or is it that hard for you to comprehend my posts?
The capabilities of that PSU is 1440W in perfect conditions but since consumers aren't able to run it in perfect conditions they marked the product as 1200W because that is the guaranteed maximum output under normal conditions.
However, the PSU is capable of producing anything between 1200W - 1440W at load that's why those kitguru guys you linked to were able to achieve 1321W with their testing.
Death_Reincarnated said:
Anyone can quote values of PMPO regardless of the device. It is most commonly found in audio devices but this does not mean it will stop anyone rating other devices in PMPO - PSU for PCs are a good example as they are required to be rated as RMS not PMPO. The reason why there are two values for wattage is basically due the electricity being three-phase generated. I wont go into more depth because there is no point. Just make sure that any electronics device with rates the wattage is in RMS not PMPO - Ive seen it happen before and not for speakers so just be careful.
What are you smoking? In the specs of PSU's they have two values, Maximum Output Capacity which relates to the capability in perfect conditions and Output Capacity which is the guaranteed output with efficiency and operational conditions factored in.
Who are you trying to kid anyway, all this RMS, PMPO and Square-root 'lingo,' I for one know that you use those terms just to sound smart. Although I dropped out of school at year 10, I'm not fooled with all this 'technical' trickery so try harder next time and use more complex terminology and formulas.
Death_Reincarnated said:
As for grabbing a 800W PSU which really requires 650-750W - you still fail to see the logic behind this. I will explain it inthe most simplest ways possible ok: just because the PSU is rated to give out max 800W DOES NOT mean you will constantly use 800W. Heck you may not even get to 700W but its a safe point plus if you want to upgrade your PC by (say) installing dual GPUs then you already have the power supply for this setup.
The specs of the computer required something like a 500W PSU to run at load, 650W - 750W PSU is sufficient enough to run the box with a safe buffer factored in. So suggesting to purchase a 800W unit is just overkill as I mentioned previously.
Death_Reincarnated said:
He did mention he made the mistake of buying a GPU too early since he overpaid and could have waited a while. You really do overpay for electronics items at their early release - and there is nothing wrong with bargain deals, which im sure you have come across at some time, or are you so much loaded you dont wait for anything and just grab it the moment it comes out?
Did he also make a mistake by calling people who purchased top end hardware stupid too because if he didn't then your comment is pointless.
As for being loaded, nah, I have to starve myself for months to purchase my top end gear.......
Death_Reincarnated said:
Formula wrong, which one? Oh and I did suggest what PSU in terms of wattage would be suitable based on the specs you have.
timewilltell said:
pmpo has nothing to do with this, this is not audio.
Having a hard time understanding his posts as well?
You made a suggestion based on my specs?
Death_Reincarnated said:
Iposted this before...
MOBO: Asus P7P55D-E-Pro ($195)
CPU: Core i5-650 (3.2GHz) (2x CPU) ($193)
RAM: 4G Kit ddr3 2000 Kingston T1 ($125)
GPU: 1GB GTX460 ASUS ($217)
PSU: Coolermaster GX Power (650W) ($109)
Yeah, you really based it on my specs, either way 800W is overkill and looks like you agree too since you opted for a 650W PSU.
Death_Reincarnated said:
If youre NOT in the field and have no technical knowledge of this topic then why do you persist on giving your opinion and bluntly suggesting that my and timewilltell's information wrong every chance you get?
You're posting advice in a gaming forum not an ELECTRICIANS FORUM so get a clue before posting your 'lingo.'
Death_Reincarnated said:
triggerhawk=trigger happy? If that is the case then he pretty much summed up all of our views, not just yours; so dont bother getting on a high horse.
Trigger Happy said:
Notice how he mentioned our names in his post, oh wait he only mentions one person......
So yes he summed up all 'our' views.
Death_Reincarnated said:
LOL at your statement about relatively cheap flat screens at the time of their release. I really dont know where to begin but here goes:
1) New items offer new technology with new features which equates to being priced way higher than a standard item. Best comparison is between plasma and LCD/LED technology. On average you pay around 1K less for plasmas than their counterparts - in some instances even less. This however does not make it relatively cheap if you compare what features are available and more so for PC parts which newer ones come out more often than any other electronics devices, thus logically speaking allowing to wait that little bit longer meaning you will safe money and still obtain an item with relatively large ammount of features. New items are always overpriced just because technology allows for more features but you have to ask yourself - do you really require those features or am I overpaying at this stage.
Oh, you got me there man, good work because we all know LCD/LED screens came out before Plasma screens.
Now back in reality, the first generation flat screens to come out onto the market were Plasma then LCD, now LED and within the next few years OLED.
Read my previous posts as I've mentioned this numerous times that new products cost more due to production costs.
Death_Reincarnated said:
2) There always needs to be suckers who will pay top $$$ just so they can have the best item possible - but wait a while and someone will buy a newer item for top $$$ and that item will be better than the previous persons item. Which sums up one thing perfectly - both people will overpay for an overpriced item. Which once again you have to ask yourself - is it worth it or should i wait.
So are you telling people to purchase hardware that is out of production since new models will always be released?
Death_Reincarnated said:
3)Items based on pricing or overpricing are basically due to supply and demand. The more people buy the lower the price, the less people buy the higher the price. Best example is price difference between primary and secondary batteries. Secondary batteries are far superior than primary in many ways but people dont buy them because of the price even though they would save you more money. If the supply and demand for them was higher it would drop down the price and it slowly happening.
You're kind of on the right track but it's more to do with manufacturers ability to mass produce an item than the buying thing. You can always argue without demand, they won't be producing the item, although that is true but in reality you must start at the beginning which is the manufacturing stage because market research will already determine the demands before the goods is set for the production line.
Do you even know the purpose of primary and secondary batteries? One isn't better than the other since they're made for different purposes.
Primary batteries are produced for the disposable market, mainly used for convenience and secondary batteries are fitted to reusable goods, long term consumer goods.
Anyone who fits their smoke detector, epirb or disposable camera with secondary batteries is stupid. Same goes for anyone who fits their mp3 player, mobile phones or laptops with primary batteries.
Death_Reincarnated said:
4) So to basically sup it up - items are overpriced at their initial stages being on the market and there are several factors which affect the price you pay but if you way it all up then the smartest choice you will make is not to buy top item too early or better yet buy something mid-high range and you will be still satisfied with it...well unless youre one of those rich guys who needs to have everything the best and doesnt necesseraly use all of the features besides showing it off to others. Meh I prefer to wait and not have to overpay - that way I can get two or more items for the same price if I were to pay for one item.
Yeah, everyone who buys top end hardware is just doing it to show off. You need to seriously get a clue about society.
Death_Reincarnated said:
Ahh but you see...you have forgotten that:
1) LED technology has been out for some time now and really its not something technologically unique which would overprice the item.
2) Both sharp and alienware (owned by dell) are really low key market penetrating compapies thus needing to lower their price so they can be competitive.
LED consumer goods was recently released, something like last quarter 2009, early 2010 and it's still the current technology for HDTV's.
Sharp is owned by Dell now? I've always thought it was a Japanese Multinational Corporation or did you mean Alienware is owned by Dell? if so then go back to school and learn english.
Sharp and Alienware are low key now? When did that happen?? Last I heard Sharp Aquos was market leader in the LCD/LED market and Alienware have always been recommended by the Republic of Gamers which by the way don't advise people on low key stuff.
So in D_R's world who are the market leaders in the LCD/LED market?
Death_Reincarnated said:
Keep an eye on the new Samsung series 9 LED (ua55c9000). Currently priced at 10K and the first model in this series was priced at 7K. Oh and why not compare the difference between series 7, 8 and 9. Specifically series 7 vs 8 and series 8 vs 9...and you will see what I mean by paying for an overpriced item in terms of features.
Samsung series 9 LED have always retailed around the $10k mark, when was it ever $7k or did you mistaken it for the old LCD model?
Do I really need to explain why you can't compare a series 7 with a series 8 and etc? isn't it obvious? bigger panels, added features/hardware and also newer generation panels sums up the price difference.
Death_Reincarnated said:
You may be loaded and have knowledge with sales but thats pretty much where you stand from my perspective. I'm still waiting for you to requote my arguments with some witty remarks and general sales knowledge in the electronics department...
As for waiting to buy several month old pc parts - just ask any IT/electronics expert and they will say its one of the best options to take. You also (still) fail to see that release of newer electronical consumer goods, in particular pc parts, happens very often in a year therefore even though a part may be several months old it still is quite high up in terms of performance and features. Add in the fact that there are several brands in the market only means that parts will drop in price quicker and the price you pay in terms of time being on the market follows an exponential decay curve. So really it does all boil down to personal choice and people tend to go overboard withotu realising they are usually wasting more money than they should - which sounds just like you nelots; care to call me a liar for assuming this?
Sorry, I have a life so my apologies for not replying sooner because replying to your posts is top priority!
Anyway, 'Electronical'? are you Sarah Palin? inventing new words...... then again it kind of makes sense since you two have something in common.........
CAN YOU SEE SOVIET RUSSIA FROM YOUR BACKYARD TOO???
As for IT/Electronics experts advising based on hardware release dates, I'd say they're not experts if thats their advice.
True experts will advise clients based on system requirements and budget confinements so I guess your circle of experts aren't experts at all.
As for wasting money, people who can afford top end hardware don't care about the monetary aspect of their purchase so your view is pointless.
People who buy top end and feel ripped off months later have really purchased above their means and are as timewilltell says STUPID.
So in conclusion, you're not a liar but just a stupid kid. THE END.
